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Governing a great state

第60章 · 居位 · 德经

CHINESE ORIGINAL

治大国,若烹小鲜。

以道莅天下,其鬼不神;非其鬼不神,其神不伤人;非其神不伤人,圣人亦不伤人。

夫两不相伤,故德交归焉。

ENGLISH · JAMES LEGGE, 1891

Governing a great state is like cooking small fish.

Let the kingdom be governed according to the Tao, and the manes of the departed will not manifest their spiritual energy. It is not that those manes have not that spiritual energy, but it will not be employed to hurt men. It is not that it could not hurt men, but neither does the ruling sage hurt them.

When these two do not injuriously affect each other, their good influences converge in the virtue (of the Tao).

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Modern English reading

Govern a great state as you would cook a small fish. When the world is approached through the Way, its ghosts do not exercise harmful powers. It is not that they have no powers, but that their powers do not injure people. Nor is it only that the spirits do not injure people: the sage also does not injure them.

When neither causes harm to the other, their virtues converge.

Modern English readings and commentary translations are AI-assisted study aids, not a published critical translation. Compare the Chinese source when wording matters.

Modern Chinese reading

治理大国,好像煎烹小鱼一样。用道治理天下,鬼怪不起作用;不是鬼怪不起作用,而是它的作用不伤人;不是它的作用不伤人,而是圣人也不伤人。鬼怪和圣人都不伤人,所以德归于他们,交相会合。

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Historical commentaries

Emperor Huizong of Song 宋徽宗

Imperial explanation

ENGLISH STUDY TRANSLATION

Repeatedly disturbing a multitude yields little success; repeatedly moving a great vessel causes much damage; repeatedly stirring small fish breaks them up; repeatedly changing laws in a great state confuses people. Thus the Way of government values clear stillness, and the people settle themselves. The sage is lord of spirits, people, and all things. Unavoidably presiding over the world, nothing compares with nonaction. The Way constantly does not act: preside through it and no person remains ungoverned. Those entities that act by depending on people likewise all become settled and rest, none emerging to haunt. Hence 'its ghosts do not manifest spiritual power.' One presiding through the Way does nothing deliberately and is constantly spontaneous. There are no disasters of attacking warfare or penalties of killing: this is not injuring people. Then spirits and people neither injure each other, and virtue jointly returns. Spirits have nowhere to display numinous responses; they simply bestow many blessings. Hence their power does not injure people. People have nowhere to employ clever ingenuity; they simply eat and drink in everyday life. What injury could there be?

Chinese commentary

事大众而数摇之,则少成功。藏大器而数徙之,则多败伤。烹小鲜而数挠之,则溃。治大国而数变法,则惑。是以治道贵清浄,而民自定。

圣人者,神民万物之主也,不得已而临往天下,莫若无为。道常无为,以莅天下,则人无不治。彼依人而行者,一亦皆安定休止,莫或出而为崇,故曰其鬼不神。

以道往天下者,莫之为而常自然,无攻战之祸,无杀戮之刑,是之谓不伤民。当是时也,神与民两不相伤,而德交归焉。神无所出其灵响也,饴尔多福而已。故曰其神不伤民,民无所施其智巧也。日用饮食而已,夫何伤之有?

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Manuscripts and variants

Differences are computed from transcribed Chinese characters, with punctuation excluded. ∅ marks an insertion or omission; highlights do not establish which reading is earlier.

Mawangdui silk manuscript 85% similarity · 8 changed spans

Received text · Wang Bi tradition

治大国若烹小鲜以道莅天下鬼不神非鬼不神神不伤人神不伤人圣人亦夫两不相伤故德交归焉

Mawangdui silk manuscript

治大国若烹小鲜以道莅天下鬼不神非鬼不神也亓神不伤人神不伤人圣人亦夫两不相伤故德交归焉

其 → 亓其 → 亓其 → 也亓∅ → 也其 → 亓∅ → 也不 → 弗人 → 也
Jinglong stone inscription 95% similarity · 3 changed spans

Received text · Wang Bi tradition

治大国若小鲜以道莅天下其鬼不神非其鬼不神其神不伤人非其神不伤人圣人亦不伤人夫两不相伤故交归

Jinglong stone inscription

治大国若小鲜以道莅天下其鬼不神非其鬼不神其神不伤人非其神不伤人圣人亦不伤人夫两不相伤故交归

烹 → 亨德 → 得焉 → ∅

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CHAPTER 60 · EXACT WORDING

治大国若烹小鲜

Govern a great state as one cooks a small fish: excessive handling spoils it.

治大国,若烹小鲜
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